During my second pastorate, there was an older couple in our congregation who came to abhor me.
We got along very well … at first.
This couple … I’ll call them Ron and Dolores … moved from the Midwest to Silicon Valley in the early 1980s. They came to our church because of its Swedish roots … and because they liked its denominational affiliation.
Ron became a board member. Dolores immersed herself in women’s ministry. They became established leaders.
And then I became their pastor.
Ron wanted me to love the denomination as much as he and his wife did. So he made it possible for me to attend a week of meetings at the denominational seminary in Minnesota … during the last week in January.
Ron arranged for me to stay with his son and his family. I borrowed Ron’s heavy winter coat … and I needed it for the -19 degree weather with the -35 wind chill in St. Paul.
But a short time later, Ron and his wife became enraged with some of the decisions that I made as pastor.
They wanted a nice, safe church where they could enjoy friendships … practice their Swedish customs … and remake our church into the wonderful Midwestern church they’d left behind.
But that wasn’t my vision for the church at all.
I wanted the church to reach people for Christ and grow … which wasn’t on Ron’s agenda.
We began to clash on all kinds of things … especially the music on Sunday mornings.
When I first came to the church, Ron and Dolores sang “Out of the Ivory Towers” as a duet on a Sunday morning … in Swedish.
After I was there a while, I didn’t ask them to sing anymore. (They were awful.)
And to top things off, I encouraged and championed a worship band made up of younger guys. (This was the mid-1980s.)
While the band had the full blessing of the church board (Ron had termed out by then), Ron and his wife hated the band.
And even more, they couldn’t stand the direction I was taking the church … away from their beloved Swedish roots.
Dolores eventually quit coming to church. I tried talking to Ron … who still seemed friendly … but he couldn’t control his wife’s rage.
Eventually, they both quit coming to church … but their anger was spilling over to others.
I knew I had to confront them.
I set up a time to meet with them, and told them casually that I’d be bringing along a board member.
They told me I could come alone, but that I could not bring that particular board member.
I consulted with my district minster, who told me that I should not meet with Ron and Dolores alone. Instead, I needed to bring along one or two witnesses.
Finally, on a Thursday night in March, two board members went with me to Ron and Dolores’ house. We did not have an appointment.
They let us in, and then unloaded on us.
After a little while, Dolores got up unannounced and started doing the dishes while leaving the three of us to dialogue with Ron.
The evening did not go well.
During this time, I consulted with Dr. Ed Murphy, one of the world’s foremost experts on spiritual warfare, about the conflict I was having with this couple.
Dr. Murphy told me, “Whatever you do, get them out of the church and off the rolls as quick as you can.”
For the next year, Ron and Dolores looked for another church, while keeping their friendships in our church.
I thought, “Good, they’re gone. Now we can get some things done.”
But one Sunday, I got up to speak, and Ron was sitting twenty feet away from me … with his arms crossed … and his gaze cemented on my face.
And that’s when I knew the hatred had started.
Ron began spreading discontent … gathering malcontents … and holding secret meetings … all in an attempt to push me out as pastor.
He became the worst antagonist I’ve ever had.
And in the end, he and his wife became full of blind hatred.
Hatred is a cancer in our culture and our churches.
And sadly, some churchgoers have a special hatred for their pastor.
The problem in Christian circles is that most people – including pastors – refuse to believe that other Christians are even capable of such hatred.
So we naively allow such people to wreak havoc in our churches … and only realize our mistake until it’s too late.
So let me share with you five characteristics of the Christian hater in hopes that we can recognize the signs and take action to save our pastors … and our churches:
First, the Christian hater doesn’t like the pastor personally.
*They don’t like the way he looks.
*They don’t want to hear the pastor preach.
*They don’t want to shake his hand after the service.
*They don’t like the pastor’s wife or children.
*They don’t like those who do like the pastor.
In fact, they wish the pastor would just go away … forever.
It’s okay not to like another Christian … even a pastor. But if you don’t like your pastor, wouldn’t it be better to find a church where you do like the pastor?
Because as long as you can’t stand your pastor, your attitude will rub off on others … making them choose between their pastor and their friendship with you.
Ron and Dolores liked me at first … then they hated me.
When the hatred started, they should have left, severed all ties, and never returned.
But their hatred was enabled by their friends, which included some key leaders.
Second, the Christian hater keeps a list of complaints against the pastor.
And every time they see or hear the pastor, they add to that list.
This is how my father left church ministry more than fifty years ago.
One Sunday, a woman began writing down some complaints she had about my pastor-dad during a worship service. A friend saw the list and added a few complaints of her own.
Before long, that list grew much longer … even though the issues were all petty.
The list makers turned on my father and eventually ran him out of the church.
Making such a list is a sign of hatred … as is adding to the list yourself … as is asking others to add to the list.
Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13:5 that love “keeps no record of wrongs.”
Love does not keep a list of a person’s foibles, faults, or failures.
But hatred sure does.
Ron and Dolores eventually began holding secret meetings with others in the church.
They wrote down as many of my faults as they could think of on the front and back of a green sheet of lined paper.
That list was a silent confession of hatred.
And when you list someone’s faults, you’re trying to do one thing: devalue them so you can destroy them.
Third, the Christian hater can’t hide their negative feelings.
When a hater comes to church, they don’t laugh with abandon. They don’t smile freely. They don’t look joyful.
And you can see it on their face.
The hater is also ready to gush out all their bitter feelings against their pastor.
If the hater goes out after the service for lunch, he or she won’t be able to stay silent for very long.
At some point during lunch, the hater will let begin attacking the pastor verbally. No matter how hard they try to restrain themselves, their hatred will spill out.
Genuine hatred is very difficult to control … and to camoflauge.
The hater usually gives himself or herself away.
A board member kept me informed on what Ron and Dolores were telling others about their pastor. The board member even crashed one of their secret meetings.
Ron and Dolores knew that the board member supported me completely, but they emptied their verbal guns when he was around anyway … giving away enough of their playbook so we could later counteract their actions.
Haters can’t help themselves.
Fourth, the Christian hater tries to convert others.
When you hate someone, you’re usually in the minority … or all alone.
And there’s nothing worse than hating someone on your own.
So most haters either look for other haters or try and convince their friends to hate someone as they do.
It’s no secret that I don’t like NBA player LeBron James. While he’s incredibly talented, I find him to be arrogant and childish. I have always rooted against him and his teams.
During the recent NBA playoffs, I didn’t have anyone to emote with about LBJ, so I found a group on Facebook called LeBron James Haters United … and sent a link they did to another person who dislikes LBJ.
I don’t represent any danger to LBJ or his worshipers.
But when someone inside a church hates their pastor, there’s a very real possibility that they will spread their hatred to others.
That’s what Ron and Dolores did. Before the dust settled, 25% of our people left the church with them.
They formed a new church … composed of people who hated me.
That was their foundation.
Finally, the Christian hater wants to destroy the object of their hatred.
Thirty years ago, my former denomination held their annual meetings in the Silicon Valley city where my family lived.
My wife headed up a children’s program that met upstairs … and I helped her as much as I could.
But downstairs, Ron was doing his best to destroy me.
Ron had prepared literature about his new church that he passed out to people as they entered the convention center. It was a violation of protocol … nobody ever promotes their church to the exclusion of others at such meetings … but he didn’t care about that.
And while he was promoting his church, he was vocally criticizing the church he left … and its pastor.
I was horrified.
Due to his hatred, Ron couldn’t stop trying to hurt me.
Leaving the church with his wife wasn’t enough … they had to take others with them.
Forming their own church wasn’t enough … he had to try and hurt my church in the process.
Various pastors came to me and told me what Ron was doing. When I protested to the leaders of our district, they asked, “What can we do?”
Eventually, a pastor friend took all of Ron’s literature … when he wasn’t around … and threw it in a trash can.
_______________
A few months after the convention meetings, Ron’s influence had disappeared. The church he founded died after a year, and the people scattered to other churches … although nobody returned to our church.
Ron’s wife died a horrible death on an interstate highway a few years later. Ron later moved back to the Midwest, remarried, and then died himself.
I tried not to hate Ron and his wife in return. In fact, a few years after their church disbanded, Ron and I met in a hospital, and had a productive conversation.
We can’t stop people like Ron and Dolores from hating their pastor.
But pastors and church leaders can take action so that the haters find themselves isolated and either choose to repent or leave a congregation.
Haters are aggressive individuals. They go on the offensive. Once they get started, they’re tough to stop.
But for the sake of our churches, our pastors, and the gospel … we have to try … and must succeed.
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July 6, 2018 by Jim Meyer
During my second pastorate, there was an older couple in our congregation who came to abhor me.
We got along very well … at first.
This couple … I’ll call them Ron and Dolores … moved from the Midwest to Silicon Valley in the early 1980s. They came to our church because of its Swedish roots … and because they liked its denominational affiliation.
Ron became a board member. Dolores immersed herself in women’s ministry. They became established leaders.
And then I became their pastor.
Ron wanted me to love the denomination as much as he and his wife did. So he made it possible for me to attend a week of meetings at the denominational seminary in Minnesota … during the last week in January.
Ron arranged for me to stay with his son and his family. I borrowed Ron’s heavy winter coat … and I needed it for the -19 degree weather with the -35 wind chill in St. Paul.
But a short time later, Ron and his wife became enraged with some of the decisions that I made as pastor.
They wanted a nice, safe church where they could enjoy friendships … practice their Swedish customs … and remake our church into the wonderful Midwestern church they’d left behind.
But that wasn’t my vision for the church at all.
I wanted the church to reach people for Christ and grow … which wasn’t on Ron’s agenda.
We began to clash on all kinds of things … especially the music on Sunday mornings.
When I first came to the church, Ron and Dolores sang “Out of the Ivory Towers” as a duet on a Sunday morning … in Swedish.
After I was there a while, I didn’t ask them to sing anymore. (They were awful.)
And to top things off, I encouraged and championed a worship band made up of younger guys. (This was the mid-1980s.)
While the band had the full blessing of the church board (Ron had termed out by then), Ron and his wife hated the band.
And even more, they couldn’t stand the direction I was taking the church … away from their beloved Swedish roots.
Dolores eventually quit coming to church. I tried talking to Ron … who still seemed friendly … but he couldn’t control his wife’s rage.
Eventually, they both quit coming to church … but their anger was spilling over to others.
I knew I had to confront them.
I set up a time to meet with them, and told them casually that I’d be bringing along a board member.
They told me I could come alone, but that I could not bring that particular board member.
I consulted with my district minster, who told me that I should not meet with Ron and Dolores alone. Instead, I needed to bring along one or two witnesses.
Finally, on a Thursday night in March, two board members went with me to Ron and Dolores’ house. We did not have an appointment.
They let us in, and then unloaded on us.
After a little while, Dolores got up unannounced and started doing the dishes while leaving the three of us to dialogue with Ron.
The evening did not go well.
During this time, I consulted with Dr. Ed Murphy, one of the world’s foremost experts on spiritual warfare, about the conflict I was having with this couple.
Dr. Murphy told me, “Whatever you do, get them out of the church and off the rolls as quick as you can.”
For the next year, Ron and Dolores looked for another church, while keeping their friendships in our church.
I thought, “Good, they’re gone. Now we can get some things done.”
But one Sunday, I got up to speak, and Ron was sitting twenty feet away from me … with his arms crossed … and his gaze cemented on my face.
And that’s when I knew the hatred had started.
Ron began spreading discontent … gathering malcontents … and holding secret meetings … all in an attempt to push me out as pastor.
He became the worst antagonist I’ve ever had.
And in the end, he and his wife became full of blind hatred.
Hatred is a cancer in our culture and our churches.
And sadly, some churchgoers have a special hatred for their pastor.
The problem in Christian circles is that most people – including pastors – refuse to believe that other Christians are even capable of such hatred.
So we naively allow such people to wreak havoc in our churches … and only realize our mistake until it’s too late.
So let me share with you five characteristics of the Christian hater in hopes that we can recognize the signs and take action to save our pastors … and our churches:
First, the Christian hater doesn’t like the pastor personally.
*They don’t like the way he looks.
*They don’t want to hear the pastor preach.
*They don’t want to shake his hand after the service.
*They don’t like the pastor’s wife or children.
*They don’t like those who do like the pastor.
In fact, they wish the pastor would just go away … forever.
It’s okay not to like another Christian … even a pastor. But if you don’t like your pastor, wouldn’t it be better to find a church where you do like the pastor?
Because as long as you can’t stand your pastor, your attitude will rub off on others … making them choose between their pastor and their friendship with you.
Ron and Dolores liked me at first … then they hated me.
When the hatred started, they should have left, severed all ties, and never returned.
But their hatred was enabled by their friends, which included some key leaders.
Second, the Christian hater keeps a list of complaints against the pastor.
And every time they see or hear the pastor, they add to that list.
This is how my father left church ministry more than fifty years ago.
One Sunday, a woman began writing down some complaints she had about my pastor-dad during a worship service. A friend saw the list and added a few complaints of her own.
Before long, that list grew much longer … even though the issues were all petty.
The list makers turned on my father and eventually ran him out of the church.
Making such a list is a sign of hatred … as is adding to the list yourself … as is asking others to add to the list.
Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13:5 that love “keeps no record of wrongs.”
Love does not keep a list of a person’s foibles, faults, or failures.
But hatred sure does.
Ron and Dolores eventually began holding secret meetings with others in the church.
They wrote down as many of my faults as they could think of on the front and back of a green sheet of lined paper.
That list was a silent confession of hatred.
And when you list someone’s faults, you’re trying to do one thing: devalue them so you can destroy them.
Third, the Christian hater can’t hide their negative feelings.
When a hater comes to church, they don’t laugh with abandon. They don’t smile freely. They don’t look joyful.
And you can see it on their face.
The hater is also ready to gush out all their bitter feelings against their pastor.
If the hater goes out after the service for lunch, he or she won’t be able to stay silent for very long.
At some point during lunch, the hater will let begin attacking the pastor verbally. No matter how hard they try to restrain themselves, their hatred will spill out.
Genuine hatred is very difficult to control … and to camoflauge.
The hater usually gives himself or herself away.
A board member kept me informed on what Ron and Dolores were telling others about their pastor. The board member even crashed one of their secret meetings.
Ron and Dolores knew that the board member supported me completely, but they emptied their verbal guns when he was around anyway … giving away enough of their playbook so we could later counteract their actions.
Haters can’t help themselves.
Fourth, the Christian hater tries to convert others.
When you hate someone, you’re usually in the minority … or all alone.
And there’s nothing worse than hating someone on your own.
So most haters either look for other haters or try and convince their friends to hate someone as they do.
It’s no secret that I don’t like NBA player LeBron James. While he’s incredibly talented, I find him to be arrogant and childish. I have always rooted against him and his teams.
During the recent NBA playoffs, I didn’t have anyone to emote with about LBJ, so I found a group on Facebook called LeBron James Haters United … and sent a link they did to another person who dislikes LBJ.
I don’t represent any danger to LBJ or his worshipers.
But when someone inside a church hates their pastor, there’s a very real possibility that they will spread their hatred to others.
That’s what Ron and Dolores did. Before the dust settled, 25% of our people left the church with them.
They formed a new church … composed of people who hated me.
That was their foundation.
Finally, the Christian hater wants to destroy the object of their hatred.
Thirty years ago, my former denomination held their annual meetings in the Silicon Valley city where my family lived.
My wife headed up a children’s program that met upstairs … and I helped her as much as I could.
But downstairs, Ron was doing his best to destroy me.
Ron had prepared literature about his new church that he passed out to people as they entered the convention center. It was a violation of protocol … nobody ever promotes their church to the exclusion of others at such meetings … but he didn’t care about that.
And while he was promoting his church, he was vocally criticizing the church he left … and its pastor.
I was horrified.
Due to his hatred, Ron couldn’t stop trying to hurt me.
Leaving the church with his wife wasn’t enough … they had to take others with them.
Forming their own church wasn’t enough … he had to try and hurt my church in the process.
Various pastors came to me and told me what Ron was doing. When I protested to the leaders of our district, they asked, “What can we do?”
Eventually, a pastor friend took all of Ron’s literature … when he wasn’t around … and threw it in a trash can.
_______________
A few months after the convention meetings, Ron’s influence had disappeared. The church he founded died after a year, and the people scattered to other churches … although nobody returned to our church.
Ron’s wife died a horrible death on an interstate highway a few years later. Ron later moved back to the Midwest, remarried, and then died himself.
I tried not to hate Ron and his wife in return. In fact, a few years after their church disbanded, Ron and I met in a hospital, and had a productive conversation.
We can’t stop people like Ron and Dolores from hating their pastor.
But pastors and church leaders can take action so that the haters find themselves isolated and either choose to repent or leave a congregation.
Haters are aggressive individuals. They go on the offensive. Once they get started, they’re tough to stop.
But for the sake of our churches, our pastors, and the gospel … we have to try … and must succeed.
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