“Never follow someone successful.”
That advice was given to me and seven of my classmates when I took a class on managing church conflict in seminary. Our instructor was a retired army colonel who seemed to know what he was talking about.
I learned this the hard way at the last church where I was a youth pastor.
The previous youth pastor (let’s call him Bob) was a friend of mine who was moving to another state to complete seminary. We had known each other off and on for quite a while. As I recall, he had a hand in recommending me to be his successor.
I had many friends in that church already. The search team was very positive toward me. It seemed like a good fit.
But after Bob left, I was unaware of the affection that the adult leaders and the young people had for him. Some of them practically worshiped him. One girl told me, “I feel sorry for you.” An adult leader told me, “You’re just so … different” – implying that there was something wrong with me. There were even signs of rebellion among the ranks.
Since I had never been through this experience before, I began to feel tinges of jealousy toward Bob. I didn’t really know why he was viewed as being godlike and why I was held in contempt by certain people.
One Christmas, Bob came home from school and was scheduled to speak on a Sunday morning. You would have thought that Jesus was appearing live on stage. There was a buzz throughout the campus that day that I didn’t know how to handle.
Years later, Bob and I got together for a meal, and I told him about his near-saint status inside the church and what a challenge that was for me. We both had a good laugh about it.
But I wasn’t laughing at the time.
However, I learned some valuable lessons through that experience that I couldn’t have learned any other way. How can a Christian leader stay sane when following someone successful?
First, realize some people grieve the loss of a spiritual leader for a long time. I had a youth pastor that I greatly admired when I was at Biola. Since he was in seminary, sometimes we’d ride back to the church together after school. I could talk to him for hours. He was smart, human, and funny – and he knew his Bible well. I picked his brain about everything. (One time, we tossed a Frisbee down the center aisle of the church while talking. Then I went up to the balcony and tried to throw the Frisbee into the baptistry. We called our game BapFrisbee.)
My youth pastor meant the world to me. When he graduated from seminary and took a church in Colorado, it hurt – a lot. He was my spiritual mentor, my go-to guy when I got stuck in life.
Darrell, I will never, ever forget you. Without you, I would probably still be flipping burgers at McDonald’s.
Although I became the church’s youth pastor after Darrell left, I never felt any sense of competition toward him. As far as I was concerned, he could do no wrong.
And that’s how many of the kids felt about Bob. He had taught them God’s Word, played crazy games with them, led them to Christ, and listened to their problems. He had earned the right to be greatly loved over time, while I had not. I slowly began to understand why they felt the way they did about him.
Second, determine to be yourself. Bob couldn’t be me, and I couldn’t be Bob. We were completely different individuals. But I think it was difficult for some people to see that.
After a while, Bob became predictable to the adult youth leaders and the kids. They learned to understand his humor. They could tell when he was upset. They became accustomed to his teaching style. And then all of a sudden, Bob was gone, and I was taking his place. At first, I wasn’t predictable. My personality, leadership style, and methodology weren’t better or worse than Bob’s – just different. Some people were just off balance around me. While that bothered me, I couldn’t be a Bob clone.
There were times during the first year after Bob left when I just wanted to quit. But slowly, changes began to occur because …
Third, expect that as a new leader, you will gain new followers. Some of Bob’s biggest supporters gradually dropped out, moved away, or left the church, so they weren’t around forever. And some of the new Jr. High kids didn’t really know Bob at all, so I was their first youth pastor. Then some new students came to the church, and I instantly became their youth leader as well.
There was a group of high school and college guys in that church that I really loved. We played sports and went to ballgames together. They meant so much to me. Some of us became friends for life.
I learned that youth groups, like churches, never remain static. They are constantly turning over, maybe 10-20% per year. If a leader just hangs in there, most of his opposition will eventually leave – and most newcomers will become supportive. The process just takes time.
Fourth, pave the way so someone can succeed you. When I finally left my last youth pastorate after 3 1/2 years, I truly loved the adult leaders and the students. My wife and I sensed a great outpouring of love as we prepared to move to Northern California, a response we couldn’t have envisioned just three years before when I was chasing a ghost.
Now someone had to follow me.
So on my last Sunday, I took a few minutes to encourage the congregation to love my successor the way they had loved me. I didn’t want anyone to go through the hell that I had gone through.
I learned a lot about following someone successful, so much so that those lessons have stayed with me for the rest of my ministry. And I especially learned this lesson:
If they loved your predecessor, most people will gradually come to love you.
Finally, remember John 3:30. For a few months, John the Baptist was the biggest star in all of Israel. His appearance became iconic. His preaching drew crowds. His message sparked debates. Arising out of nowhere, John had become THE MAN in the land.
And then Jesus came along.
Suddenly, the crowds left John and began following Jesus. It would have hurt a lesser man.
Someone told me recently about a man who succeeded a well-known Bible teacher as pastor. This Bible teacher had his own unique speaking and writing style that endeared him to thousands. I have many of his books and once subscribed to his messages on cassette. He would have been a tough act for anyone to follow. After a few years, his successor resigned and became very upset about the way he was treated.
I can understand why he might have felt that way. It’s unfair to be compared to someone else when you’re just trying to be yourself.
But remarkably, John adopted an alternative viewpoint.
John knew his role. It wasn’t to be the Messiah. It was to pave the way for Israel’s Messiah. When the crowds left John and followed Jesus, John didn’t become jealous because that was the plan all along.
In John 3:30, John said, “He must increase, but I must decrease.”
Those are the best words I’ve ever run across for dealing with the whole predecessor-successor thing. There’s a time for me to be in the spotlight followed by a time when the spotlight needs to shine on someone else. Only a narcissist would insist that the spotlight shine on him forever.
But John was far from a narcissist. He was truly humble in the best sense of the word.
In essence, John said, “Who gives a rip what people think about me? I only care what people think about Jesus.”
I was once in a church where there was a little plaque fastened to the pulpit where only the preacher could see it. It served as a reminder why we were all there in the first place.
The plaque said simply, “Sir, We Must See Jesus.”
I couldn’t say it any better myself.
A View from the Pew
May 16, 2011 by Jim Meyer
Over the past sixteen months, my wife and I have been visiting various churches in the greater Phoenix area. For ten of those months, we’ve been attending CCV – Christ’s Church of the Valley – a mega church in the northern Peoria area. CCV knows what they’re doing and does it all extremely well. We love everything about the church and try not to compare it to other churches that we visit from time-to-time – but sometimes, it’s hard not to do so.
Since all of my pastoring has been done in small and medium-sized churches, I understand them very well and have a good idea of what they need to do to reach the next level. As Rick Warren is fond of saying, it’s harder for a church to go from 100 to 300 in attendance than it is for that same church to go from 1,000 to 3,000.
Let me share with you five ways that a smaller or medium-sized church can make some simple improvements that will help them reach more people for Jesus. This is not intended as an exhaustive list but just some things I’ve been noticing recently:
First, station greeters outside from the parking area into the worship center. Kim and I visited a medium-sized church yesterday and no one said anything to us until a woman gave us our bulletin at the door. Then after we sat down, the pastor’s wife came and said hi to us. But we would have felt much more comfortable with a greeting and a handshake before we got to the door. Even though I’ve been a pastor for eons, I still feel nervous walking up to a new church for the first time. Strategically-placed greeters help alleviate that anxiety more quickly, and a host of good things happen with guests once they relax. CCV does this expertly. We’re greeted by five or six people before we even get to the lobby.
However, these greeters need to just say “hi” or “it’s a great day” or “welcome to our church” rather than do any prying. Whenever people ask our names, they love to say, “Oh, Jim and Kim! That rhymes!” A staff member at a church recently went on-and-on asking Kim about herself and he was practically hyper-ventilating in the process. “It’s SO GOOD to have you today. We hope you’ll come back and see us again SOON!” We couldn’t leave that guy fast enough.
Second, do whatever it takes to have outstanding music. If I were starting a church, the first person I would hire would be a worship director who could attract people who could sing and play well. We live in the American Idol age where everybody expects great music and everybody thinks like a critic. If the music isn’t good, people cringe. If it is, they relax and might sing. From what I’ve been noticing, the better the music is, the more the people in the congregation sing.
I realize that there will be days when the music director is gone and the quality of the music will suffer. But this just argues for the importance of having a deep bench. At CCV, they rotate the worship leaders, the band members, and the vocalists and spread them all over the stage – but they always have at least two guitars. Kim and I recently visited a church where the band used a keyboard, drums, and a bass guitar but didn’t have any guitars – and I cringed all through the worship time.
Third, the service can run between 60 and 75 minutes but not too much longer. If a church is trying to reach Christians, then a service can go on for hours. But if you’re trying to reach unbelievers, 60 minutes is best, and 75 minutes is as long as you can go if the service is good.
The last two churches that we visited had services that both went 90 minutes. Again, that’s fine for the people who go there, but if a church wants to grow, it needs to tighten up the service, especially the transitions. At CCV, every service lasts exactly one hour and you’re left wanting more.
Fourth, avoid mentioning the denomination during the service. We live in a post-denominational age where people care much more about the quality of the local church they attend and far less about the affiliations that church has with headquarters. At a service we recently attended, several of the announcements specifically mentioned denominational doings. Because we aren’t a part of that denomination, the references made us feel like outsiders.
I have a theory: the better a church is doing, the less it mentions its demonination, and the worse its doing, the more it mentions it. (Or the worse a denomination is doing, the more it asks its constituent churches to promote it.) Think about it.
Finally, tell us what the Bible means. Decades ago, I learned this little truth: there is one accurate interpretation of a biblical passage, but scores of personal applications. One interpretation, many applications. When the Holy Spirit inspired the authors of Scripture, He did so with a single intent in mind. John 3:16 doesn’t mean whatever you want it to mean. It means whatever John – as inspired by the Spirit – meant it to mean. When I study a passage, it’s not my job to impose my own views on it (called eisegesis) but to take out of the passage what is actually there (called exegesis).
Let me give you an example. In Revelation 3:20, Jesus spoke these familiar words: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” Who is Jesus talking to in context? Many people believe that Jesus is encouraging unbelievers to open the door of their lives and let Him be their Lord and Savior. But Jesus is speaking to “those whom I love” and those whom “I rebuke and discipline” (verse 19) instead. In other words, Jesus is talking here to believers, not unbelievers – and specificially to believers who have shut Him out of their lives.
We can’t twist Scripture into saying what we want it to say. It’s our job to discern and discover what the Spirit meant by a passage and only then to apply it to our lives.
Why bring this up? Because we’re living in a day where too many preachers are coming up with their own thoughts and then scouring the Bible for support. And in the process, we’re getting borderline heresies and novel teachings that make the teacher famous but cause God’s people to starve spiritually.
The first four ideas above are just my ideas. Feel free to disagree with them. Better yet, prove me wrong. But the last idea is non-negotiable. Surrender that idea and we’re going to have syncretistic Christianity – and we’re already headed in that direction because many pastors only preach what’s culturally acceptable so they can stay popular.
That’s why Jeremiah is my favorite prophet. He told the Lord, “Ah, Sovereign Lord, I do not know how to speak. I am only a child.” The Lord replied, “Do not say, ‘I am only a child.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you.” After touching Jeremiah’s mouth, the Lord told him, “Now, I have put my words in your mouth. See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant.”
Talk about an impossible assignment! It’s far easier to build and to plant than it is to uproot and tear down. But Jeremiah was faithful, and he got a book in the Bible for his trouble.
And that’s where I’m headed right now – to Jeremiah 32. This is “A View from the Pew” signing off.
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