John MacArthur is a famous Bible teacher, pastor, and author.
And he sometimes intimidates me because he seems to be perpetually godly rather than human … and I have a hard time relating to people like that.
Yet MacArthur has certainly played a large part in my spiritual development.
When I was fourteen years of age, I went to Hume Lake Christian Camp for the first time. John MacArthur was our guest speaker that week.
The first night, he shared about a car accident he once had that changed his life … and he did it with great humor … but his story really got my attention.
Later that week, MacArthur challenged us to read our Bibles every day, and I took his counsel to heart, rededicating my life to Jesus Christ.
When I entered Talbot Seminary (now School of Theology) in 1975, I was well aware of Talbot’s two most famous graduates: MacArthur and Josh McDowell.
MacArthur spoke in chapel one day on the glory of God. Afterward, my friend Dave and I talked about what made MacArthur such an effective communicator.
To me, it was his authority … his certainty … that he believed what he was telling us with every fiber of his being.
Four years ago, my wife and I finally visited Grace Community Church in Panorama City, California, where MacArthur pastors. I wrote a blog article about our visit which you can read here:
https://blog.restoringkingdombuilders.org/2013/11/25/visiting-john-macarthur/
Several nights ago, this thought kept running through my mind: “I wonder if John MacArthur has any hobbies?”
While searching the internet, I ran across an interview MacArthur gave on his Grace to You radio program in 2004. If the interview was designed to humanize MacArthur, it certainly succeeded. The interview can be found here:
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/80-33/John-MacArthurs-Life-Testimony
MacArthur shared again about the car accident that changed his life … about how he and his wife got together (even though she was engaged to someone else) … about another car accident that nearly took his wife’s life … and how Dr. Feinberg at Talbot reamed MacArthur out for missing the point of a passage when he preached during chapel.
And then the interviewer asked MacArthur this question:
What was the most difficult thing for you as a young pastor?
JOHN: The most difficult thing that ever happens to me, whether it’s when I’m young or old, is disloyalty at the level of leadership. Not because I deserve loyalty, but because disloyalty is so destructive. The hardest thing you’ll ever deal with is false accusation…people who say things about you that aren’t true and undermine people’s trust and confidence and this goes on in my case all the time all over the place. Not so much at Grace Church, anymore. Our people are very loyal. All the critics I’ve outlived. What are they going to bring up that they haven’t brought up in the past, you know. But even beyond Grace Church, there are all kinds of accusations and criticisms that aren’t related to reality made against me. That’s very hard to deal with because I don’t want to be viewed by anybody as unfaithful to the Lord, unfaithful to His Word as an unfaithful Christian. But I think it’s particularly painful at the level of intimacy when you pour your life in investment spiritually into men around you that serve with you and they generate a mutiny against you. That is very hard to deal with…very hard.
That happened to you…
JOHN: Oh, it’s happened several times. Yeah, it’s happened several times. And it’s a shock. You know, your own familiar friend has lifted up his heel against you, the one with whom you broke bread, you know, like the Scripture says about Judas. And I’m loyal. I think the only way to get loyalty is to give loyalty. If somebody in church comes to me and criticized another staff member, they don’t find me a very good listener. I will rise to the defense of all those that are in my care and serve alongside me. People don’t do that because they know they’re not going to get anywhere with me. And I expect in giving that loyalty to receive that back because disloyalty is so harmful to the unity of the church. So that’s always been the hardest thing to deal with. To criticize me personally, is not disloyal. To undermine me and criticize me publicly, behind my back, that’s disloyal.
Let me make four observations about what MacArthur says:
First, no pastor is exempt from leadership betrayal.
If someone asked me, “Can you think of a pastor who has never experienced staff or board disloyalty?”, my guess would have been John MacArthur.
But MacArthur admits … quite candidly … that some men around him generated “a mutiny” against him “several times.”
King David, Israel’s greatest king, knew all about such disloyalty. He writes in Psalm 41:5-9:
My enemies say of me in malice, “When will he die and his name perish?”
Whenever one comes to see me, he speaks falsely, while his heart gathers slander; then he goes out and spreads it abroad.
All my enemies whisper together against me; they imagine the worst for me, saying, “A vile disease has beset him; he will never get up from the place where he lies.”
Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.
Of course, referring to Judas, Jesus quoted Psalm 41:9 in John 13:18 about their own relationship.
And in 2 Timothy 4:10, 14, Paul mentions two men who betrayed him:
… Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me …
Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm … he strongly opposed our message …
If David, Jesus, and Paul all experienced betrayal, then it can happen to anybody … including John MacArthur.
I’m just glad he felt free to admit it.
Second, it’s beyond painful to support leaders fully and receive betrayal instead.
MacArthur confessed:
“But I think it’s particularly painful at the level of intimacy when you pour your life in investment spiritually into men around you that serve with you and they generate a mutiny against you. That is very hard to deal with…very hard.”
My wife and I attended one of America’s largest churches for nearly two years when we lived in Phoenix, Arizona a few years ago.
Three times within six months, I heard the church’s senior pastor talk about a staff rebellion that had occurred nearly fifteen years before.
He was still hurting over what had happened. Years later, he still couldn’t believe those four staff members would try and push him out as pastor.
I left my last ministry eight years ago. At one point, we had a staff of eleven people, some full-time, some part-time.
I went to bat for those staff members continually, getting them more money … more vacation time … and even giving part-timers paid vacations.
One staff member made a mistake on his taxes that cost him thousands of dollars, so I went to the board and they covered his mistake financially.
Another staff member literally worked in a closet when I came, so I made sure she came out of the closet and had her own office work space.
How was my loyalty repaid?
Some staff collaborated with my predecessor and I was forced out of office.
MacArthur survived his mutinies. I did not.
But either way, it’s something you never forget.
Third, loyal pastors cannot understand disloyal leaders.
In the interview, MacArthur said:
“And I’m loyal. I think the only way to get loyalty is to give loyalty. If somebody in church comes to me and criticized another staff member, they don’t find me a very good listener. I will rise to the defense of all those that are in my care and serve alongside me. People don’t do that because they know they’re not going to get anywhere with me.”
Not every pastor is loyal to his staff and board. I’ve heard some sad stories to that effect.
But the best pastors demonstrate loyalty and expect it in return. And when the leaders around the pastor collaborate to criticize or take out the pastor, the pastor can’t get his head around it.
I served under five pastors. In each case, I was the top staff member.
And in each case, I was completely loyal to my pastor.
Did that mean I agreed with everything the pastor said or did? Absolutely not.
But I wanted each pastor to know that even if everyone in the church turned against him, I would still stand by his side.
So when staff members … and in my last church, board members as well … turned on me, I could not emotionally understand what they were doing.
I still can’t … because it’s something I could never do.
But sometimes I wonder, “Why was it so easy for them to be disloyal?”
Fourth, nothing hurts a pastor more than false accusations.
John MacArthur said:
“The hardest thing you’ll ever deal with is false accusation…people who say things about you that aren’t true and undermine people’s trust and confidence and this goes on in my case all the time all over the place. Not so much at Grace Church, anymore. Our people are very loyal. All the critics I’ve outlived. What are they going to bring up that they haven’t brought up in the past, you know. But even beyond Grace Church, there are all kinds of accusations and criticisms that aren’t related to reality made against me. That’s very hard to deal with because I don’t want to be viewed by anybody as unfaithful to the Lord, unfaithful to His Word as an unfaithful Christian.”
I don’t know what kind of accusations have been made against MacArthur during his long and successful ministry career.
His critics seem to single out his critical tone or his lack of graciousness whenever he deals with controversial issues … and he doesn’t shy away from anything.
In my younger days in ministry, I felt that MacArthur was a bit harsh at times.
But as I’ve gotten older, I thank God for him because he’s one of the few prominent Christian leaders who haven’t compromised or wavered on biblical truth.
What amazes me about the interview with MacArthur is that even though some leaders tried to overthrow him … and that’s the definition of a mutiny … he never quit. He forged ahead.
You can do that more easily in your thirties, forties and early fifties. But when a church’s leaders come after you when you’re in your late fifties or early sixties, it’s a different story entirely.
When you’re younger, if you’re “lied” out of your church, you can eventually find another church. But when you’re older, those same churches won’t even consider you due to your age.
In my last church, I was accused of all kinds of things … especially after I resigned.
But the leaders were cowardly. Whatever was being said, nobody said it to my face.
To this day, there are probably people who think that I had an affair … that I didn’t really preach the Bible … that I spent so much money that I left the church in massive debt … that I let my wife (who was on staff) do whatever she wanted … that I mistreated staff members … that I wasn’t approachable … and on and on.
When I first heard untrue claims against me, I wanted to defend myself publicly.
But I quickly realized it was futile. I could not stop the tidal wave of hatred that was washing over the entire congregation.
There was no fair and just forum where I could respond to my critics.
So I just surrendered.
This kind of mistreatment has a name: “mobbing.”
In a church setting, certain leaders bury the pastor with false charges trying to force his departure.
They don’t want justice. They want revenge.
I’m glad that John MacArthur is still pastoring Grace Community Church nearly fifty years after he began.
How has he done it?
Those who survive in ministry are those who follow Peter’s words in 1 Peter 2:21-23:
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.
And that’s what both Jesus and John MacArthur have done over the years: entrust themselves to Him who judges justly.
May we learn from their example.
Excellent article, Jim! I highly respect MacArthur, although I do not always appreciate his tone and would differ on a few theological issues. That being said, he is a man who knows his calling and keeps his focus despite huge opposition. You both are right when you acknowledge that disloyalty is the hardest issue a pastor will face. I have no idea why that the people in ministry who have done us most harm have often been those we have invested the most in and moved the most mountains to help. As well, the peripheral people often are the strongest supporters. The only answer I can come up with is that there are powers and principalities who absolutely hate us and they are alive and well, always working against the bride of Christ.
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Shelli, I don’t know either why those closest to the pastor sometimes turn against him. Sometimes people want 24/7 access to the pastor … or they want to be his best friend … and if the pastor doesn’t meet their expectations, they turn on him. Another possibility is that people put pastors on a pedestal, and when they see that the pastor is as human as they are, that’s when they turn on him. It’s hard to know. Thanks for reading and for your encouragement!
Jim
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Very well said!
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